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Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:00 am
by Zosit
So, It took me longer then I am happy to admit to figure out how to semi-consistently survive the first couple of nights, but I think I've found two game mechanics that don't seem to have been mentioned yet (though one of them may be unintended?).
If you place them quickly, you can break dirt slightly faster by placing a stick under it as it falls, like you could with torches and sand
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:17 am
by FlowerChild
One of the best BTW reaction videos yet. I recommend not watching unless you've already made your first iron tool to avoid spoilers:
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:30 am
by jackatthekilns
I have a question about that first iron tool:
Now that axes can get string from spider webs, other than crafting tables, and getting through webs faster are the chisels useful for anything later in the game? I was actually a little disappointed in the axe change. It looks like it takes a lot longer than the chisel, but now that I have a crafting bench and stone picks they don't seem as useful
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:37 am
by Fret
I'm having trouble figuring out some midgame recipes in my old world.
How do I make smooth stone? Crucible doesn't work anymore for that, nor does a furnace or harcore packing. Is there still a way to make smooth stone? So yes, how?
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:07 am
by AddyBaha
you can mine smooth stone with a chisel - take a look at the hint thread
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:53 pm
by FlowerChild
jackatthekilns wrote:I was actually a little disappointed in the axe change.
It didn't read well at all. I watched player after player in streams try to harvest webs with the right tool, but give up before harvest because the relative speeds on different tools communicated the exact opposite information to them. I may do something more with that down the road as time allows, but for now, it made no sense to keep it as is.
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:17 pm
by jackatthekilns
FlowerChild wrote:jackatthekilns wrote:I was actually a little disappointed in the axe change.
It didn't read well at all. I watched player after player in streams try to harvest webs with the right tool, but give up before harvest because the relative speeds on different tools communicated the exact opposite information to them. I may do something more with that down the road as time allows, but for now, it made no sense to keep it as is.
I can understand that,
I also realized that the iron chisel has more use cases so I'm not as bothered. I also still used it on a web when I had an axe because it was faster
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:26 pm
by jackatthekilns
On the subject of the planks of legend
do iron axes.lose durability when converting logs to planks? Or did use use.my axe on something else and not remember?
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:28 pm
by FlowerChild
jackatthekilns wrote:do iron axes.lose durability
Yup, they do. Previously, they didn't, so they'd act as an upgrade to stone axes. Now that's obviously not necessary.
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:07 pm
by Zhil
Alright, finally started a proper world from scratch. Here's my findings:
I'm at dusk of day 2, 14 pieces of food, no real issues so far, smooth ride. Once you know the recipes, I actually think this is not that hard, compared to earlier. It does feel way more streamlined and less easy to get over the initial hump. By now I would probably be mining for iron already, it feels like I've got at least a week to go to get there. I way overprepared for this :D
I'm loving it so far man, this is brilliant :)
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:16 pm
by FlowerChild
Gilberreke wrote:
Once you know the recipes, I actually think this is not that hard, compared to earlier.
Hehehe... you keep telling yourself that :)
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:02 pm
by Zhil
FlowerChild wrote:Hehehe... you keep telling yourself that :)
Oh I'm expecting it to ramp up and add up over time, I was just expecting way worse, when watching streams of people dying over and over :)
Wasn't expecting not to die for 3 days straight
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:13 pm
by bboyblaiser
I have not figured out how to make a hoe yet and I am dreading the cooking time on the campfire. any help?
Edit: nvm brick ovens work pretty well
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:10 pm
by dawnraider
On a few stone blocks:
Is there any way to get regular cobblestone, or get smoothstone in large quantities without chiseling around every single one? I usually dump 8-12 stacks of cobblestone into crucibles at a time to build with, and use almost as much cobblestone in my builds. If I can't do that anymore I'm going to be sorely disappointed in the impact on my ability to make aesthetic builds.
bboyblaiser wrote:I have not figured out how to make a hoe yet and I am dreading the cooking time on the campfire. any help?
Edit: nvm brick ovens work pretty well
Hoe has not changed.
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:15 pm
by Veracity
dawnraider wrote:On a few stone blocks:
You can get regular cobblestone and bricks in the world by placing the loose versions and then adding clay to serve as mortar. I haven't figured out how to get them back into my inventory though (which is actually a big problem because it means I still can't use them to build ceilings)
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:27 pm
by ada221
so I fumbled through a few milestones by looking at the hints FC dropped alone, but now I am stumped:
is the brick oven only for ores? or does it need a special fuel? I have been trying to put all kinds of shafts/sawdust/bark/etc. in to cook food, and no luck
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:30 pm
by dawnraider
ada221 wrote:so I fumbled through a few milestones by looking at the hints FC dropped alone, but now I am stumped:
is the brick oven only for ores? or does it need a special fuel? I have been trying to put all kinds of shafts/sawdust/bark/etc. in to cook food, and no luck
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:35 pm
by hawk
Veracity wrote:dawnraider wrote:On a few stone blocks:
You can get regular cobblestone and bricks in the world by placing the loose versions and then adding clay to serve as mortar. I haven't figured out how to get them back into my inventory though (which is actually a big problem because it means I still can't use them to build ceilings)
There may be another, easier, solution but...
temporary dirt block scaffolding works for in situ placement
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:40 pm
by ada221
I assumed that was the case (makes perfect sense given the other in-world/non-UI things of the mod!), but after
1. lighting a campfire directly in front of the oven and 2. attempting to light the oven directly with the fire plough, I saw no success
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:46 pm
by hawk
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:48 pm
by ada221
Of course it would be because I chose to use the wrong tool for the job :p
Thanks!
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:49 pm
by dawnraider
hawk wrote:Veracity wrote:dawnraider wrote:On a few stone blocks:
You can get regular cobblestone and bricks in the world by placing the loose versions and then adding clay to serve as mortar. I haven't figured out how to get them back into my inventory though (which is actually a big problem because it means I still can't use them to build ceilings)
There may be another, easier, solution but...
temporary dirt block scaffolding works for in situ placement
Unfortunately, it still doesn't fix the whole issue because without picking it up you can't craft walls, stairs, or slabs until after getting a block dispenser.
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:51 pm
by Veracity
hawk wrote:
There may be another, easier, solution but...
temporary dirt block scaffolding works for in situ placement
How do you get dirt blocks that don't fall down? All I've been able to make are loose ones.
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:54 pm
by dawnraider
Veracity wrote:hawk wrote:
There may be another, easier, solution but...
temporary dirt block scaffolding works for in situ placement
How do you get dirt blocks that don't fall down? All I've been able to make are loose ones.
Hardcore packing. 4 piles to make regular dirt, 2 loose dirt to make packed earth.
Re: Version 4.AAAAAAAAAAHHHH Spoilers in Spoilers
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:17 am
by hawk
Unfortunately, it still doesn't fix the whole issue because without picking it up you can't craft walls, stairs, or slabs until after getting a block dispenser.
I know. I'm sure that's not intended (other than maybe for mass generation). I'm hoping someone smarter than me has figured out (and will share) the better, easier, solution.
