FlowerChild wrote:
Yes, of course the functionality provided is different. However, the pattern is largely this: Eloraam creates new functionality based on similar *base* concepts, and uses a similar *visual* design to draw comparisons with what exists in other mods.
I've never bitched about Frames being a "rip off" of BTW Platforms. However, the visual similarities are quite noticeable, which again, becomes a question of "why do that?" unless it is to provoke.
I understand, but it was getting listed at the top and I wasn't sure it belonged there because I was under the impression it provided a different sort of functionality. My guess is that if anything was meant to be provocative, it was probably the RP windmill.
FlowerChild wrote:
I agree. However, I'm the only one that publicly complained about it, other than Albaka doing so briefly when it first started happening, then recanting. I'm also the one that is now having *me*
copying Eloraam's features being used as justification for ripping off my entire mod, and my response to those accusations is largely what this thread is about.
I agree, that's a total bullshit excuse for BTF trying to clone BTW. I mean, we have to accept that certain ideas converge from time to time. I really hope I didn't give you a different impression. I'm not here as an apologist for RP, and even less for BTF. I was just trying to take a level look at frames.
FlowerChild wrote:
This isn't the "game industry". This is a bunch of hobbyists working towards providing free content for the MC community. Thus, I do not think using justifications for it based on competitive business practices is a valid line of argument.
Really, none of this is justification for BTF, to be clear. RP making pipes, for example, and handling them only slightly differently is stealing bits and pieces. Parts of RP are original (I think, but I'm not exactly a follower of RP). BTF is stealing wholesale.
FlowerChild wrote:
There were many factors, but the "copying" of features was the primary reason I left the Forge. As I've said on many occasions, the straw that broke the camel's back was when she copied BC's pipes after "getting drunk on absinthe" (as she says in her own blog). She knew what she did was wrong there, otherwise there would be no need to say that she did it while drunk.
That makes sense. I think I remember you telling that story now. I also seem to remember a lot of your complaints about Forge had to do with bloat and her abusing the API for her own needs, that was part of it, right? I'm not totally mis-remembering here, am I?
FlowerChild wrote:
elustran wrote:Also, is this thread going to be useful to FC, or is it going to mostly be a source of wank for the forums and stress for FC?
You're treading on very thin ice here man.
Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression by any of this. The point was that I can scarcely imagine how stressful it's been to deal with all of this bullshit, so I want to make sure that anything we do here with regards to BTF, Forge, etc is going to be something that serves to support you. I'm mostly wondering if taking a shot at RP is going to meet your (and our) needs or if it's just going to be a source of stress that dredges up old woulds and distracts from the conflict with BTF.
BTW is the first mod that had enough in it for me to want to install it. I still remember how cool it was to build my first windmill (started with a watermill back in those days before we needed glue and such) and my first bits and pieces of BTW automation. And while I haven't commented much on these forums, I have been a member and reading them since their inception.
For whatever it counts, you have my support in this. Just remember we're all in this thing together.